You are listening to My Freedom Grove podcast with Gretchen Hernandez, episode 95.

Welcome to My Freedom Grove podcast. The all inclusive podcast that teaches mindset and business tools. We'll help you rise as your authentic self. Be unshakable with your emotional freedom and unstoppable in achieving any goal and living your purpose. I'm your host, Gretchen Hernandez. If you want to put your mental health first in life, relationships and business, you've come to the right place.

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 Hi, my strong friends. I hope this crazy December weather isn't impacting you too bad. So, I want to bring you a very nice treat today. I'm going to introduce you to Stacey Uhrig. This is a full-circle moment for me. Stacey came to me as a client at the very beginning of her coaching journey. She learned a bunch of the mindset tools that I teach. And then, we went over all of the ideal customers that she might want to work with, some possible business models and what her niche would be.

Stacey has a passion for helping people to get unstuck and especially to resolve trauma. She went on to go study the different modalities out there. And she found one that she absolutely loved called Rapid Transformational Therapy.

A cool thing that happens when people go, and they're learning new things. And especially when there's a certification involved is they have to do clinic hours and practice their new skill. So when it came time for her to practice, I quickly raised my hand. Because not only was I stuck on something, I wanted to help support my clients in their journey.

So I was feeling stuck on something for about six months. And although I love my mindset tools, I wasn't quite getting unstuck from this one thing. I wanted to get unstuck quickly. It was taking way too long. So I thought, okay, I will try a different modality. And Stacey had a different modality, and I thought this ends up helping both of 

So I went, and I did it. Oh my gosh. She was so effective. I had to bring her on the show so that you could learn all about it. So I'm gonna get a little vulnerable here. I'm gonna share exactly what I went through and what my shifts were. And then Stacey is gonna tell you so much more.

There's so much more to Rapid Transformational Therapy than what I even got to experience because I was very focused on one thing. Now that my eyes are open to everything that's possible. Oh my gosh, I can't wait for you guys to hear everything about it.

Exploring different modalities can be the key to getting unstuck. You might try one type of modality and after you try it for a while, if it's not working, try just adding on another one. Maybe the combination of the two or the alternating between them might be exactly what you need. So without any further ado, here is the wonderful Stacey Uhrig.

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Gretchen Hernandez:

Hey Stacey, thank you so much for joining me today. How are you?

Stacey Uhrig:

Good! I'm good. Thanks for asking!

Gretchen Hernandez:

So you and I have been friends for years now and, I've loved watching your journey, seeing you progress from when we met about three years ago to where you are now. And I've had the luxury also of being one of your clients now. Actually your client before in a different business and now. And, I had such a great breakthrough with what you helped me with in November that I wanted the whole world to know what it is that you're doing now and everything about it. So can you introduce yourself to my audience, please?

 

Introducing Stacey Uhrig

Stacey Uhrig:

Sure. So my name is Stacey Uhrig, and I hail from the East coast. I'm in New Jersey, just about 30 miles outside of Manhattan. And I'm a coach, but I really have a mission to help people get unstuck and flip their mindset. And I think what you were just talking about before with what we did together in November is I'm just at the final steps right now of being certified as a hypnotherapist and, very specifically, as a Rapid Transformational Therapy Practitioner. And that's what you and I connected with back in November.

 

What Is Rapid Transformational Therapy?

Gretchen Hernandez:

That's right. So can you tell us what is Rapid Transformational Therapy?

Stacey Uhrig:

Rapid Transformational Therapy is a modality that was created by a woman named Marisa Peer. Marisa is a Psychotherapist. She's been a Psychotherapist for over 30 years. She comes outside of London. And she got really interested in hypnotherapy, and she trained with a gentleman named Gil Boyne. Who's like a master hypnotherapist decades ago.

Stacey Uhrig:

And she utilized that and then basically started pulling in other modality, like Neurolinguistic Programming, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Neuroscience. And she took all of these additional modalities, if you will, and created her own.

Stacey Uhrig:

And she did this forever and ever; she coined it herself Rapid Transformational Therapy. And then I think over time she realized, you know, this really works. And how can I get this hands, other healers, other practitioners, so they can learn how to do this. And they can start providing this type of solution as well.

Stacey Uhrig:

I'm not quite sure how long it's been available to learn per se. But I do know a number of alumni that have been doing this for, say, five, ten years. So it's still kinda relatively new to the industry, if you will. What she's pulled together and what she's created is really what it's called. It's a rapid transformation, and it's brilliant.

 

Using Hypnosis For Rapid Transformation

Gretchen Hernandez:

So one of the things that I noticed was different with Rapid Transformational Therapy than the regular mindset tools that I use is it uses hypnosis. And so that's why I decided I wanted try this because I had been stuck on something for quite a while and realizing that it was much longer duration of being stuck than what I was originally aware of. So I had tried all of my regular mindset tools, and I still just couldn't get myself unstuck from this. And so, can you talk about the hypnosis part of it?

Stacey Uhrig:

Absolutely. So the whole premise of hypnosis is to get you into this alpha brain new state. When we're in an alpha brain wave state, we're basically awake, but our nervous system is asleep. And it allows the conscious mind to kind of, I like to say melt away. And it allows the subconscious to be the forward-thinking piece. And the subconscious is where we hold all of our emotions. It's where we hold all of our feelings. And it's where we hold all of our memories.

Stacey Uhrig:

And I've learned so many things about the rules of the mind over the last year. And, you know, one of the major rules is that emotion will always trump intellect. And so, when we're working with a client at the conscious level, the conscious mind's job is to protect us always, right? And it's also the intellectual piece of us, but so much of what we believe is rooted in a feeling. And that is all at the subconscious level.

Stacey Uhrig:

So the idea of hypnosis and RTT getting you to that state where those experiences that formed emotions and formed feelings at an early age, which then, in turn, caused a core belief. That's what we want to tap into.

Stacey Uhrig:

So Gretchen, when you and I have worked together, and you were my coach for a while, and I got to learn so many cool models from you in that CBT model that we used all the time of you have a circumstance, but following the circumstance, you have your thoughts, your feelings, your actions, your results. And that we can't have a feeling or an action or a result without the thought. The way that I see this is incorporated in it is that layered on top of this thought, is this invisible, very thin layer.

 

A Story: The Impact of Core Beliefs

Stacey Uhrig:

And that is your core belief. And getting to the core belief is what I try to do with the hypnosis. Because that core belief, it really is almost like an invisible layer on top of everything. And I'll give you an example. This is one that's been in my mind lately.

Stacey Uhrig:

Remember how these two towers, or I'm sorry, not two towers, but the one tower fell, the apartment tower in Florida.

Gretchen Hernandez:

Yes.

Stacey Uhrig:

1. And I think about this often. Let's just say hypothetically; we had a couple that was living in the tower that did not fall. And they wake up to this horrible news that the tower next to them fell. And perhaps they even thought at one point that they were gonna buy an apartment in that tower and not the tower that they were in, but for whatever reason, they ended up in this other tower, and in general, they were safe.

Stacey Uhrig:

Right. Because their tower didn't fall. You could have the same couple in the same circumstance. So basically, you've taught me that circumstances is this neutral thing. Like you wake up, and you look out the window, and a building has fallen. And you can have two people with very, very different thoughts right away. And very, very different actions and reactions.

Stacey Uhrig:

And the thought from one person could say, oh my God, we are so lucky that we are in this tower. Oh my God, we're so lucky. I have so much gratitude. I feel so blessed. I feel so safe. I feel so lucky. Whereas the person you woke up next to could have a very different reaction, which is like, oh my God, do you see? We're not safe. Look at that tower. If that tower felt, this tower could fall.

Stacey Uhrig:

And I love this example because, ultimately, it's the core belief that generates the thought. The person that's coming in with gratitude doesn't have a core belief that I'm never safe.

Stacey Uhrig:

But the person that doesn't feel safe automatically has a core belief of I'm always at risk for harm.

Stacey Uhrig:

And those core beliefs are generated between the ages of two and seven. Almost all of our core beliefs are generated and formed between the ages of two and seven. And they're formed based on the experiences that we had or that we had observed in those very early years.

Stacey Uhrig:

We create beliefs based on what we've seen, what we feel, and what we've experienced in a way to keep us safe. Because that's our job's mind is to keep us alive. Right?

Stacey Uhrig:

So I love that example because when you say to somebody... And you were just saying. You were trying to choose these techniques on yourself... When you say to somebody it's as simple as changing a thought. Well, if that's not working, then you gotta dig a little bit deeper.

Stacey Uhrig:

That's the RTT, comes in for me when I work with my clients. That's where get into the subconscious, to me, is imperative. Because if you are having a hard time changing a thought, it's likely because it's so deeply rooted in a core belief. And if you cannot get to the root, the reason, the cause for that belief, you're going stay stuck.

Gretchen Hernandez:

That is such an excellent example. And I completely agree with everything about this core belief. Because when I was starting out trying to do my mindset tools on the thing I was stuck on, I was focused on a present circumstance. And my thoughts about that present circumstance. And what you and I did was to go all the way back from when I was younger. And there was a core belief.

 

My Struggling Circumstance

Gretchen Hernandez:

And in fact, it was something that it was affecting me this year, right now, with a current circumstance. But it also was something that contributed to me having a mini-stroke when I was in my late twenties. It contributed to a lot of work stress, a lot of imbalances in my relationships. And it was something that I really needed to get to the bottom of to understand so that I could have that chance to finally like switch that. Because focusing just on my current circumstance wasn't doing it.

Gretchen Hernandez:

So the current circumstance that I was facing was looking at the content that I was going to create for digital courses. And what I was finding is I was having this problem with scoping it down. I wanted to just over-deliver anything and everything to completely set my clients up for success. I almost wanted to fool-proof it like there's no possible way that they couldn't have success.

Gretchen Hernandez:

But by doing that, the amount of content that I was going to include was probably gonna take me a year or two to record. And if I'm trying to help people to avoid overwhelm, the worst thing I could do is give them tons and tons of content because that's overwhelming. So I needed to try to figure out, well, how can I reduce the scope and feel comfortable with that? Because I really wanted to make sure that they have the the best success possible.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And so then, I had been struggling with this for well over six months. I was trying to scope it down, and it would just keep growing. So I thought, okay, this is a major obstacle. I kept trying all of my regular tools on myself, and I thought, okay, I need to try something different.

Gretchen Hernandez:

So I learned you were going through learning this new modality, and I love working with you. And I completely trust you. We have this really great relationship. I'm like, you know what? I wanna give this a try because I love trying new things. But honestly, I was super stuck, and I was like, I need to try something different.

 

Using Rapid Transformational Therapy To Get Unstuck

Gretchen Hernandez:

So you took me through a couple of sessions. So we started off with a one-hour session. You asked me a whole bunch of questions. And then we had this two-hour session where you got me into the hypnosis. And you did; you took me back to a younger time in my childhood. And I did find one little thing that had to do with me washing dishes at a kitchen sink.

Stacey Uhrig:

I just got a chill!

Gretchen Hernandez:

I was like, how on earth can me washing dishes at a kitchen sink have anything to do with coming up with content to put into digital courses now?!

Stacey Uhrig:

I have a question for you. Well, first, I want to comment and say that what's so fascinating to me about this process is it all has to do with the feeling and the emotion. Because again, the brain will always go to emotion over intellect, always emotion over logic, every time. So it's very interesting when I ask people to go back to a scene or a moment in time that has to do with the circumstance, right? Their presenting problem.

Stacey Uhrig:

But the subconscious, because it is rooted in a emotion, goes to a moment where you felt the same way. And so, whatever it was that you were feeling, that's what it's looking for. It's not looking for a moment that is like similar in nature. It's the moment where you had that same exact emotion, or you had that same feeling.

Stacey Uhrig:

And so very often the first time I have, cause I usually have a client go back somewhere between three and five times. Like we keep repeating this exercise where we're going back to another scene, another scene. And the first time, I just say, let, let's go to a scene that is the route, the reason, the cause of this presenting problem.

Stacey Uhrig:

But then the subsequent scenes, I'll say, let's go back to the root, the reasonable cause for this presenting problem, AND one that incorporates this feeling. That feeling that I'll name will always be the feeling that came from the scene before. And then, when we get to the second scene of more feelings came up. When we go to the third scene, I'm looking for the feelings from the first two scenes.

 

Connecting My Feelings As A Young Girl To Feeling Stuck Today

Stacey Uhrig:

I'm constantly going for the feeling. Because what was happening to you right now, part of the reason I think that you were getting stuck and you couldn't get over it was because you had this feeling that was uncomfortable, that you couldn't really release. You get over this thing. And we had to go back and find when was the first time you had that feeling? And how can you connect the two now? And I don't know if you wanna share this, but how did you find that, that the two connected? How did you find that washing dishes as a young girl connected to your issue today?

Gretchen Hernandez:

Yeah, so I would love to share this because it might help other people. So I was feeling a huge amount of obligation, responsibility, love. And what it was is seeing a result of something. So, in this case, when I was younger, it's like the taking care of overall household stuff as a shared responsibility. And that if one person is not able to because they have an illness or an injury that then it becomes the other team players' responsibility to step up to the plate.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And and I developed a belief that I would be a bad person if I didn't. That I wouldn't be doing my part to show love towards the other person or that I wouldn't care about them. And what's interesting was that I also had a belief that the person really was unable to do the activity, as opposed to it being a choice.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And I had to reflect to other times in my life where I had some type of a disability like I have a chronic back condition I've had since I was 17. And there are times that I have pushed through that back pain, like tears running down my face, doing some really incredible things like moving 300 or 400 pound furniture items into a U-Haul. Even with a hurt back. Because it's a choice.

Gretchen Hernandez:

Not everybody makes those same choices. And so I got really good at being able to do anything. Because like that driver personality and I care about the collective result. So there were a couple of beliefs in there. So one being that I would be a bad person if I didn't help. Another, that the other person wasn't able to, as opposed to it being a choice, that was probably the biggest one.

Gretchen Hernandez:

It made me reflect back to other times on my life when I was doing more than my share. We see this in grade school a lot with having any type of team assignments where there's a project that's due. You have several students on the team that may choose to not put in the effort, or they have some self-limiting beliefs. Like they think that they can't do it. And then you have one person who is really driven to have the great results and doesn't want to have the consequence for themselves. So it's a shared result.

Gretchen Hernandez:

When you're in grade school, it is a shared result. Like your grade depends on this, so you don't really have another choice. If other people are not doing their part, you have to do it. Otherwise, you suffer the consequence with the lower grade. But as you progress further into life, that can come up again, as you're in work environments where there's a shared result.

Gretchen Hernandez:

When I had my mini-stroke, it was a shared result where I was a project manager. And it ultimately fell on me to deliver the results with my team, but I didn't want my team to get overloaded. So they were already working at a maximum amount, and I was so concerned about them and anything that could happen from like burnout or whatever, that I took on more than I should have. And that ultimately led to me having a mini-stroke.

Gretchen Hernandez:

That was always my own belief that that they didn't want to put in the extra effort and or that they couldn't. It wasn't that they didn't want to. It was that I thought something bad might happen to them if they were doing this, and I didn't want anything bad to happen to them. So it's like that caring nature, not wanting anything bad to happen to other people like. Loving other people.

Gretchen Hernandez:

That was a really hard lesson to learn. And that was in my late twenties. And so here I am, almost 50 and still wanting to do more than what I really am supposed to do. Or what's really necessary. Like it's quite possible that the other people that I would be working with that they're totally capable of going and learning even more on the side.

Gretchen Hernandez:

So if the content that I gave wasn't enough, these are highly intelligent people. And for me to want to give them everything might not be necessary.

Stacey Uhrig:

You and I covered that in the clarity call. That that's that one-hour call that we had prior. You know, that's why I love doing the clarity calls because you came to me thinking... The language you were using with me on what you thought your presenting problem was X. And then as we spoke more, I started to help you unravel, well actually, maybe it's Y. And because a lot of what we were talking about was, you know, this pressure that you felt to become a certain thing. So your clients always had success.

Stacey Uhrig:

And my question to you was constantly, well, what's their level of accountability? What's their level of responsibility? And why are you constantly putting other people's needs ahead of your own? Why are you constantly putting their wins ahead of your own? Which helped us really narrow down exactly what it was we wanted to work on in that session together.

Stacey Uhrig:

I'm actually doing another one of those calls right after this podcast. And I love doing those calls because a lot of people walk away being like, whoa, wait a minute. I had never thought about my problem that way. And now I really understand what I'm working with, and now I should be able to get a deeper clarity through this two-hour session.

 

A Very Important Shift For Me

Stacey Uhrig:

But I guess my question for you is now that it's been six weeks since you've had that session, how has it changed the lens through which you see your work or how you work with other people either personally at home or in your professional life? I'm curious.

Gretchen Hernandez:

One of the things that was a great shift, a very important shift for me, was realizing that entrepreneurship is also an option. It’s it's not a life-saving thing. So if someone wants to put in all of the effort and be a successful entrepreneur, that's their choice. It doesn't mean that it has to be that there's always other choices.

Gretchen Hernandez:

Someone can always choose either just not to work at all. There's other ways of having income, or they can go be an employee still. Entrepreneurship is a choice, and it does require effort and someone else's business really is their responsibility. Although someone is hiring help, it doesn't mean that the helper is the one who is now fully responsible for the other person's business.

Gretchen Hernandez:

That was a huge shift.

Gretchen Hernandez:

It also was showing up in my personal life of looking at what are the things in my personal life that really are my responsibility versus someone else's responsibility.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And it's been something I've been working on for years already. But getting back to that core belief of, I had believed that people really had some valid reason for why they couldn't do something. So they were presenting with a disability or some other reason for why they couldn't do their responsibility. And I had always just agreed with them. If they said that's what it was, then okay. They have this; therefore they're not able to do all of these other things.

Gretchen Hernandez:

But the belief that they have that disability or whatever it is, that's really their belief. Yes. Because as I mentioned, like I have this chronic back thing that I've had since 17, I could believe that that's a disability, and therefore I can't do all of these other things. But I choose to see it as a challenge for me to figure out how do I work through it so that I can still achieve my objective.

Stacey Uhrig:

And by the way, I might be able to work with you on the back piece because one of the things that's so beautiful about this modality is look, your mind responds to your body, and your body responds to your mind, right? Your mind is influenced by your body, and your body is influenced by your mind.

 

Command Cell Therapy

Stacey Uhrig:

This modality that I'm using, it incorporates so many different tools, and it's a lot of defense statements. If this comes out in the session, then we're gonna move over here. If that comes out in the session, then we're gonna move over there. Two things you and I did not do in our session because it really wasn't warranted. Given what the presenting problem was. Is one thing is called command cell therapy. And the idea behind command cell therapy is that every single cell has a brain of its own.

Gretchen Hernandez:

That's an interesting thought.

Stacey Uhrig:

It is true. Every single cell it's its own unique organism and its own unique structure. And so this concept, it comes from Bruce Lipton, the concept behind command cell therapies that you can, in some ways, command demand, and instruct a cell to go back to its original blueprint.

Stacey Uhrig:

And it's pretty fascinating. And I've watched a number of demonstration. I've used it with a handful of clients that have come to me with physical ailments, but I've watched hundreds of demonstrations on it. It's just absolutely incredible to watch. Not just a real-time transformation, because obviously things take time. But you can see a little tweak at the beginning, but it's just, it's amazing to really think about how the body works. And how the cells work in your body and how it will listen. Just like your brain will listen. Right? It's suggestible.

 

The Healing Vortex

Stacey Uhrig:

So command cell therapy is something that is often used with people who are having physical conditions, skin conditions, hearing voice, there's a whole host, but the other modality you and I did not use is something called the healing vortex. And what I love about the healing vortex is, you know, not only does your subconscious mind work best with emotion over logic, but it also really works based on pictures and words, right?

Stacey Uhrig:

It's the meaning we put to pictures and words. And so the healing vortex to me is a little bit of like a deep meditation, but it's not. It's very specific to the person, but it's a visualization of watching this healing vortex go through your entire body and at different parts of the body; it’s releasing different emotions and different challenges of where people are generally stuck. It's almost like going through a chakra, but it's not.

Stacey Uhrig:

And how it kind of takes all these toxins at different levels of your body and releases them out through the bottom of your feet. And it's like a good 10-minute recording, and it's something I might do with somebody transformation similar to the transformation recording I gave to you.

Stacey Uhrig:

Sometimes I take bits and pieces of it. If I know I'm going into a session with somebody that has a physical ailment, I might structure out that transformation a little bit differently to either include the command cell therapy or the healing vortex, but what's so interesting about the physical ailments that I work on with people is it's still a core belief. There's still something where the person feels that they need the condition as a way to either protect them, prioritize them, or punish them.

Gretchen Hernandez:

Wow. That's great!

Stacey Uhrig:

It's really what it boils down to.

Gretchen Hernandez:

Yeah, well, there's one of the courses that I had made in the past was on psychological defense mechanisms. And so when...

Stacey Uhrig:

I took your course on that. Like I'd have all the materials from that. It was fascinating.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And so I love how simple, what you just said, how you broken it down into those three categories. But what's interesting is that punish one? Because in the psychological defense mechanisms course that I created, punishment is one of those things. Sometimes we do things, not realizing that we're doing it as a way of punishing ourselves and then understanding what's the pain behind it of; why would we even be trying to punish ourselves? The brain is fascinating.

 

Anger Was Stacey’s Ride Or Die

Stacey Uhrig:

The brain is fascinating. I always take people through this one structure within the modality, what I call and it's called RFPI, and it's kind of a parts therapy. And it helps you look at the part that came up with this problem. And we did that with you. And it asks you what the role, the function, the purpose, and the job or the intention is of that problem.

Stacey Uhrig:

Because it always thinks it's doing something for your benefit. It's kind of like your ride or die. Right? Like when I've had to do so many sessions, which is a beautiful benefit of having gone through the program is I've had like eight sessions as a student. I am constantly having to come up with things to work on, which is great. And one time, I was working on anger.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And when we got to this part where the coach that I was working with, the other RTT student, said, are you ready to let it go?

Stacey Uhrig:

And I'm like, I'm not sure.

Stacey Uhrig:

And he is like, why not?

Gretchen Hernandez:

I totally understand that!

Stacey Uhrig:

Because this is my ride or die! Like I had given a name to my anger. And I never, you know, it was funny. It was like a huge epiphany because you hear about this thing like you've heard about like Beyonce, like she has this pseudo personality, like Sasha Fierce, right? It's like just this other part of her.

Stacey Uhrig:

So I always had this other part of me. I never understood what it was until I went through this program. And she had a name. And when I was really getting angry, I would say to my husband, "watch out; she’s coming out." Like, I know it's like a whole other next level. Like Stacey cannot get to this level. Only this other part of me can get to this level of anger.

Stacey Uhrig:

And so when this guy, Bob, was doing my session for me. He goes, are you ready to let it go? And I was like, I don't know about that. Cause this person has been with me. Also, I suffered a lot of loneliness growing up, you know. I hear this from a lot of clients, and it's certainly something I've experienced myself where you are around a lot of people, but you are absolutely alone.

Stacey Uhrig:

And people don't understand how traumatizing that is to someone. Especially a young child. And so what I realized in that session was that the anger was my ride or die. That I actually wasn't always alone. Do you see what I'm saying? And so I really wasn't sure I wanted to let her go. I even gave her a pronoun. Like she's been by my side all this time.

Stacey Uhrig:

And so what we did was we just gave her a different job. Which you can do. So we gave her a different job. She could still be my ride or die, but we don't need anger to protect ourselves anymore. That we're adults now. We're no longer that person that was 10, 12, 15, 17, whatever my issue was. And she can just be with me because I like having her around, but she doesn't need to get angry anymore. Right?

Gretchen Hernandez:

So good.

Stacey Uhrig:

And it was so good. It was such a great session. And I've stayed very good friends with that other student. He was like, I love the fact that you weren't ready to let her go.

Stacey Uhrig:

Cause it gave him something to work on. Like it's a really complex situation. You don't always have to let it go, but you can give it a different role. You can give it a different part. One that is of benefit to you. And once you can negotiate with the part, which is basically what you're doing, you can even say, well, when do you wanna leave? How much time is it gonna be?

Stacey Uhrig:

It's a really fascinating piece of the whole program, but I'd be interested to do some work with you with your back at some point and see if it can benefit you. Because there might be a part of you that really needed that back injury for some reason, or at least your mind thought you did.

Stacey Uhrig:

I've worked on people head-to-toe hives. Head-to-toe hives! And it was very, very clear in the session exactly what that was. And this is someone that's been suffering from hives, and the doctors are like, sorry, it's Idiopathic Chronic Hives. There's just really nothing you can do but take steroids. But we can't really find a reason.

Stacey Uhrig:

And I was like, I actually think there is a reason you want to dig into it? And she was like, yeah, let's do it. And she was like, oh my God, this all makes so much sense. So I love that part of it. Because there are so many people suffering.

Gretchen Hernandez:

I recently talked to another past client who also went through the Rapid Transformational Therapy training, and she has been suffering with food allergies for most of her life. And she said that after all of that, her food allergies are gone. I said, what?! Like I knew all of the work that she had done on herself. Like trying to figure out what foods were safe and what foods were not. She's incredibly knowledgeable, and yet now they're just gone. Yeah. It's like, okay, wow. This is some pretty amazing stuff.

Stacey Uhrig:

You have to kinda look around and say, you know, we have a lot of ailments happening in our culture. On top of the higher rates of mental health issues, the higher rates of depression, suicide, anxiety, the overwhelming sense of stress that people feel. There's a real tie to that and health physical health.

Stacey Uhrig:

The vagus nerve people don't talk about the vagus nerve or the autonomic nervous system as much as they talk about the sympathetic or the parasympathetic nervous system. It's a very real thing. And it is your gut. You know, when your vagus nerve system is off, it starts at the base of your skull, and it goes down through your chest. It goes down into your gut, and we have higher rates of asthma, higher rates of coronary issues, higher rates of stomach issues. You know, leaky gut and all of these different things.

Stacey Uhrig:

There's a very acute tie, and there's no harm in doing the dark work, the deeper work. Cause it's never really very pretty. But if you really want to try to shift, there are a lot of ways that you can shift. If the ways that you're trying aren't working for you, it's definitely worth exploring.

 

Being Honest About RTT: Being Suggestible

Gretchen Hernandez:

One of the things that I really loved about our sessions is you talk about being suggestible. And also, you've also mentioned about the recordings. And one of the things that I might worry about or other people might worry about is, are you going to tell me what to believe? Are you gonna tell me that everything that I've ever believed is wrong?

Gretchen Hernandez:

But that's not what you did. You allowed me to pick what are the things that I now want to believe? What are the suggestions that I want to give myself? Because as we know, mindset takes a while to reprogram. Sometimes we do get those new thoughts and those new beliefs, and it's just like that immediate switch. And I always know when we have that happening because we start laughing. Because it's just so obvious the other thought or belief that it's like, of course! And we can't stop laughing.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And that's usually when it automatically, just like plants. But sometimes, we have to practice those thoughts. And so that's where those recordings came in. That really helped me, and I still listen to it. So you provided a recording, it's about 20 minutes long. For me to listen to every day for 21 days.

Gretchen Hernandez:

It's been more than 21 days, and I still listen to it. And I still listen to it multiple times. Even last night, I was having a little bit of trouble getting to sleep, and I started hearing your voice instead and like going through the whole thing without even having to play the recording. And what I love is that every time I listen to it, I pick up on like one extra little thing.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And yesterday morning, one of those little suggestions that was in there, I'd listened to it in the morning. And then, like an hour later, I had a phone call with some really great news. That reinforced that exact thought; oh my gosh, I was just like having a big, ugly cry over it.

Stacey Uhrig:

I love that!

Gretchen Hernandez:

For people who haven't gone through hypnosis before, they might be a little bit worried. Especially going back into childhood, there can be all sorts of trauma. So how can you make sure that someone stays safe when they're working with you?

Stacey Uhrig:

You know, when I talk to people, I always say to them, what's your comfort level. And they're like, I'm pretty terrified. And it's so funny because I even have like a feedback form. And I was like going into the session were you calm, excited, or terrified. And everybody checks off terrified. Because it's unknown. Right?

Stacey Uhrig:

Unless you've really gone through it, it's really a foreign thing. And we've seen stage hypnosis where people make people do things, and it's not what that is. And so, to answer your question, it was kind of two-fold. First. The suggestibility, what people don't understand is that they're accepting suggestions all day, every day, their entire life.

Stacey Uhrig:

You know, when you were or a baby, your mom walked you may be around your block, and maybe she said to you, oh, look at the grass. That grass is green. Or look at that bunny rabbit running across the street or look up at the sky; it’s blue and clouds. And nobody questions it. Oh, that must be a street. That must be a rabbit. That must be grass. It must be green.

Stacey Uhrig:

We just accept these things. We just make agreements with it. You know you taste something, oh, I like that. You taste something else. I don't like that. We are giving ourselves suggestions all day, every day, all the time. Our suggestions as we get older are rooted in our core beliefs. Right? The suggestions are the thoughts.

Stacey Uhrig:

And so the idea of the suggestions with the recording is... When we met in our clarity call, I asked you what your life could potentially look like without the problem. I don't make the suggestions for you. I don't have the time to do that. And I don't even know what it is that you want. Right? It's not for me to decide.

Stacey Uhrig:

As coaches, our job is not to give you the answer; it’s to guide you to your truth. Right? So in our clarity call, I always say to people, if I had a magic wand, what would you want the outcome to be? If you could envision your life without this problem, what would it look like? And I try to get as descriptive as possible. Because again, the mind works with pictures and words.

Stacey Uhrig:,

So often, I'll ask, what does that look like? What does that feel like? Does that have a song that's associated with it? I try to give people the opportunity to get as descriptive possible. And then, when I do the transformation, I have all those notes.

Stacey Uhrig:

So at the very, very end of the session after we've kind of unearthed and excavated if you will, what that original core belief was, we kind of think it put it to rest. We reframe it. And then, we have the ability to install a new belief.

Stacey Uhrig:

And I don't make up what that is. I have a structure, like a little bit of a skeleton of ways to get your mind to activate things I can say ahead of what it is that you want. But I'm only putting in your words, right? So the reason for that is that you have accepted all these old core beliefs, and now it's time to accept new ones. And the brain also works on repetition, and it's works on things being habitual.

Stacey Uhrig:

The more you can listen to it, it's like you're rehiring, rewiring, reprogramming the brain to the new belief. And so when I work with people, typically, I do this clarity call session. I do this RTT session, which is two hours long. And then, typically, if the person's really working towards the end goal, we do two coaching sessions afterward. It's a full 30-day experience.

Stacey Uhrig:

I call it Get Flipped. And the first coaching session is seven days after the RTT session. And the second coaching call is 21 days after the RTT session. And the idea there is, how was that first week after the session? What were your trips? What were your triggers? Did your old triggers come up? Did you revert back to your old core belief? How are you doing with installing the new core belief? And then 14 days after that coaching session, when we meet again is just further installation, further imprinting, what it is that they want with that north core belief.

 

Being Honest About RTT: Being Safe When Going Back

Stacey Uhrig:

Now, to answer your question, you had another part of that question. So we were talking about suggestibility. You were asking me how do people get safe? Right. So here's the thing also with regards to suggestions, people are assuming that when you go into hypnosis, while you're in hypnosis, I'm just gonna say things to you. Like, this is what you want, and this is the way life's gonna be. It's not like that.

Stacey Uhrig:

When I get people into that alpha brainwave state, which is what I do, I induce you down. So you're in this really relaxed outstate, right? Blissed out state. I just ask you a question. I don't have the answers for you. It's not even my job to pretend like I have the answers for you. The job is to ask you poignant questions that are designed to easily help you get the answers. Right?

Stacey Uhrig:

And then, more importantly, for you to start to connect the dots between the past and your present problem. That, to me is like the linchpin. I can't make that up for you.

Stacey Uhrig:

I did a session yesterday on somebody who has emotional eating, right? They don't wanna be, have emotional eating. And she came up with some very, very interesting connections that were very shocking to her. And this is somebody that's almost 60 years old. And she's like, oh my God, I never ever. And I don't wanna share what it was cause it's private, but what she came up with was so shocking to her. And it was so simple, and she couldn't believe it.

Stacey Uhrig:

And I could have never come up with that. She had to come up with that. I just help her review what she saw. And say, okay, how does it connect to the now? And she's like, oh my God. And then we did it again. And we did it again, and we did it again for each scene. And she was like, I don't even know what to say. I would've never known this if I didn't get into this state. Because my conscious mind would've never picked that. I'm almost sixty years old. I've never put two and two together.

Gretchen Hernandez:

Yeah. One of the things that helped me to be suggestible was something I wasn't expecting. It was a hypnotist was hired for a workshop that I went to. And you know, you go to fairs and carnivals and stuff like that, and they'll have a hypnotist. And I decided that I would volunteer.

Stacey Uhrig:

And it was after our session! Yes, I remember!

Gretchen Hernandez:

Yes! And some of the things that he had me doing, I didn't really wanna do it first, but like almost immediately, my mind went into okay. Like I started to, oh no, they won't. I can't do that. They'll think this about me. And then it was, oh, okay.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And I remember after that experience, I was so excited because I was like, yes, I'm suggestible! And everything in that whole experience, I was safe. No one ever thought anything bad of me. Like it was, it was a wonderful experience. And so when I got back to the hotel after that experience, the first thing I did was put on your recording.

Gretchen Hernandez:

Because I was like, yes, I'm suggestible. Like this can actually work on me, and I will be safe, and I will be okay, and everything's gonna turn out. Okay. In fact, I listened to it two times that night. Went to sleep, woke up the next morning, listened to it three more times.

Stacey Uhrig:

I love it. I love it. I love it. And it was powerful to me that you said that you were having a moment and you could hear my voice because actually one of the things I say in my recording is even without this recording, you will hear my voice. But what's so interesting. I wanna get back to two things that you said because I think it's so important for people that are listening.

Stacey Uhrig:

Number one is you were asking me, how do I get people to know that they're safe if they're going back to a trauma. And there have been times where I've taken people back to a poignant moment in time that felt very traumatic to them. I like to incorporate as many things, this is not about RTT at all, but I try to incorporate other things like tapping or things that can bring the person to the present moment.

Stacey Uhrig:

And I'm constantly reminding them, you are never reliving anything. You're just reviewing it. Like you're watching it on a movie screen or that you're watching it on a computer. And this is just an emotion. And if they need to be removed from it, it's easy to remove somebody from it. I've never needed to do that because it does become very real to them in the sense that they know it's just a moment. That they're not there. Right.

Stacey Uhrig:

So there are ways to do that very safely. I think the thing that people fear the most going into a session is judgment. I've had a number of people say, well, what if I say X? I don't want you to think bad things about me. It's very interesting, I don't want you to think this about me, or I'm a little weirded out because now you're gonna realize something about me that you don't even know. And right now, you like me, but like if you hear this thing, maybe you won't like me anymore.

Stacey Uhrig:

And you can bleep this out. If you don't have a curse word on your thing, but I basically say, look, we all walk with shit. And it's not my job to judge your shit. It's my job to hold space for it. And that's all that I do. I just hold the space. It's a safe space. They know that I've already built a rapport with them. I've always had at least an hour to an hour and a half with them prior to the RTT session. I think that's really important.

Stacey Uhrig:

But what I remind them is I'm not the one that's judging; it’s them. You know, it's that, self-judgment.

Gretchen Hernandez:

That is very true. That is very true.

Stacey Uhrig:

I've heard it all. I mean, there's, I really have heard it all. And I'm sorry that you went through that. You know, I'm very compassionate to it. it's not my job to judge and if the person inflicted harm on someone else, and that's what they're here for. But you recognizing it, and you understand it, and you're aware, and you have remorse, and you're human.

Stacey Uhrig:

We're not perfect beings. We're imperfect people in an imperfect world. It's okay. That seems to be a big hold-up for people. They're like, I'm afraid to do this with you because I'm afraid you're gonna learn this about me. And I was like, dude, you wanna have a session where we just throw our shit on the table? Cause I've got plenty of it. We all have it!

Gretchen Hernandez:

I had to have that conversation with myself because you were a client of mine. And now I was going to come in to you with a business-related block. And I could definitely like get hung up on. Would she judge me? Yeah. But what was more important to me was that I get unstuck.

Stacey Uhrig:

It's very fascinating because I was telling my husband we're gonna have this podcast conversation today. And he goes, oh, wasn't she your coach? And I go, yeah! He goes, isn't that a little intimidating? I'm like, yes, it is! Like when I work with other coaches who have always just worked at the conscious level, there is this fear on my part of like, what am I possibly telling them that they don't already know? I mean, they taught me.

Stacey Uhrig:

It's definitely a strange thing. And actually, I'm working with a client right now that's a therapist. She has her master's in social work. She's a licensed therapist and she's like, I really need help. And I'm like, oh God, no pressure. You know? But the reality is she doesn't tap into the subconscious. And I think she understands the value of it.

Stacey Uhrig:

And I just surrender to the universe say, okay, just use me as the portal. You know these people need the help and just speak through me, come through me. Let me use the tool that I've learned. And I just have faith that if that person's coming to me, it's because they're supposed to right. But there is that intimidation on both sides. I'm working with therapists and coaches.

Stacey Uhrig:

There's a thought process in my mind of like, am I really gonna obviously give them an aha moment and get them to see a new truth that they haven't seen already. So it was confirming to me when you were coming to me with all this praise and all of this "aha." And I was like, okay, yeah, I am onto something here.

Gretchen Hernandez:

You are onto something. And I am so incredibly proud of you as your coach that you have gone down this path. You've decided to try out these different modalities to see what is the thing that is most effective for you for working with your clients. And I am eternally grateful that I got to experience the benefit of that. It's a really strange full-circle moment.

Stacey Uhrig:

The reality is, you know, the requirement of the course is you have to do a lot of what's called reflective practice with other students. There's no requirement to be working outside of that with other students before you're certified.

Stacey Uhrig:

But to me, I just felt, gosh, the more clinical hours I can get doing this the better. And so as you know, I was reaching out to everybody and anybody saying, look, I'm not charging for this. It's a, win-win. Give it a go. I get to practice. You get the experience and would you be open to it? So I think if I'm wrong, you can tell me. But I think initially you're like, oh, I'll do Stacey a solid! I'll support her and give her a go.

Gretchen Hernandez:

There was definitely a part of that because I do like to help my clients to evolve and to get stronger in their skillset. But I serious had a blockage. And I was like, sometimes you really have to trust the other person to be that vulnerable with them.

Gretchen Hernandez:

And you and I have established a relationship over, you know, three years. And one of the things that I wanted to talk with you about today was on a relationship marketing. But I know that we've gone pretty long in this podcast. So I'd like to invite you to come back to share about relational marketing at some point, because this is so helpful in businesses. And bringing us together so that we can help each other rise is so critical for everybody's success and for our wellbeing.

Stacey Uhrig:

So we'll do, we'll do a part two on the business aspect of building a coaching business or whatever kind of business the person's looking to build.

 

Connect With Stacey

Gretchen Hernandez:

Yeah. Because you are an amazing businesswoman. And so I think that my listeners can learn some really important things from you. But I want to respect your time today. So I want people to come and experience the great breakthroughs that I've experienced by working with you. So how can people get in contact with you?

Stacey Uhrig:

The best way for them to contact me is just to go simply to my website FlipYourMindset.com. It's pretty easy to get to. You can just go to ways to work with Stacey and it basically breaks it down. You can do the deep dark work in the subconscious or you can keep it straight up at the conscious level. It's really your call. Those are the two ways that I offer, but I always offer a discovery call. And those are free and that's right at the top of that page. And they'll be easily able to find that.

Stacey Uhrig:

And if they wanna just follow me and get a vibe, my Instagram and my Facebook I'm on there pretty much every day, I'm pretty active on social media. And I just keep it simple by just using my name. @StaceyUhrig. I'm very accessible, super transparent. And that's the best way for people to contact me.

 

FlipYourMindset.com
Facebook
Instagram

Gretchen Hernandez:

That is fantastic. And I'm going to put all of those links onto the webpage for this episode so that it will be super easy for people to be able to get to see you and meet you. Not only are you a fantastic, wonderful person, but you are effective as a coach.

Stacey Uhrig:

Wow. Okay. I'm gonna just like take that in. This is like the Brené Brown, Oprah Winfrey moment for me. Like I'm the Brené Brown and you're the Oprah. I'm like, wow. She thinks I'm awesome. Like that's just such a full circle. Right. That feels really good. I'm gonna soak that up and not try to like deflect that off. It's like, whatever, I'm just gonna take it in.

Gretchen Hernandez:

You take it in, you deserve it!

Stacey Uhrig:

Thank you!

Gretchen Hernandez:

Thank you Stacey. Thank you so much for taking your time to come and share all of this great information with me today.

Stacey Uhrig:

Anytime, I love talking about it. I love helping people as you know, and we're helping each person. Every time we do it, we're just adding a little bit more back out.

Gretchen Hernandez:

All right, Stacey. Thank you so much.

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Is your mind blown right now? Isn't it amazing? Everything that Stacey shared with us? I recorded this interview last week and when she was talking about cells having unique brains, okay. I was a little skeptical. I am a biology major. And so I was like, eh, but I thought, you know what? I'm gonna open my mind to this. And you know what? I had results with that one new thought that very night.

And that was just from the suggestion that cells have their own unique brains. Being suggestible. It's always a choice. It's if you want an end result, are you willing to think other things so that you can have that end result? You don't have to think anything you don't want to think, but if you want the end result, or if you want a different feeling, allowing yourself to be suggestible to other thoughts can be the difference between having that end result and not having that end result.

The choice is always up to you.

Now. I want you to be able to check out Stacey. I want you to be able to go to her social media and to her website. So all of the links are on the webpage for this episode at MyFreedomGrove.com/podcast-95. But also, I wanna spell out her name for you so that you can just search on social media for her. Her name is spelled Stacey Uhrig. She does a lot of live videos. So you'll get to see what she's like to interact with. Oh my gosh. You're gonna wanna be friends with her in addition to exploring her services. So my friends, don't leave yourself feeling stuck for too long. There are options out there. So explore all of the different modalities that are available to you.

Try to stay dry and safe out there in this crazy weather. And I will talk with you next week. Bye-bye.

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